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Post by kovaku on Mar 26, 2018 17:45:35 GMT -6
If I use indicators they're whatever ya'll happen to lose on the river, which happen to mostly be Thingamabobbers. 👆🏻lol
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Post by mirvc17 on Mar 26, 2018 18:26:00 GMT -6
OK... i'm back...please indulge me in this post...
First... Hankins... the Corq's with the rubber loop don't kink the leader much, for sure... I like them for smaller nymphs, but over time, they DO get a little water saturated and don't float quite as well if you weighed them down too much (in that case you should probably use a bigger bobber anyway)...they are more natural looking/stealthy though...
Regarding Thingamabobbers... Joe at Red's fly shop does a good comparison of Airlocks, Thinga's, etc. What I like to do with Thingamabobbers is take a pair of needle nose pliers and pull the metal grommet out. This makes a big difference in not kinking the leader as bad. Try it, you'll be surprised. Be careful not to bugger the plastic loop though. Also, nothing can beat Thingamabobbers in floatability. They are lighter and easier to cast than Air Locks (particularly roll casting), especially in the really big sizes. WestWater is supposed to have a new product out this year called the Thingamastopper. It's basically a small silicone thing you thread on your leader and holds the bobber in place and allows you to adjust it with no kinks (fo' real). You can take the bobber off whenever (have to cut off flies though), but leave it on in the butt section of your leader if you switch to dries or whatever...so don't take out ALL of your metal grommets just yet unless you want to buy more.
Despite Air Locks saying they don't kink your leader, they can and often do smash the leader nylon leaving a flat spot and a kink. Of course it depends on where exactly you put the bobber at but still... Also, ever had your flies/tippet wrap around the locking mechanism? Can bugger up your leader fast. They do splash more too for sure.
New Zealand Strike Indicator is great--super sensitive... but it CAN also kink up your leader if you have too much wool material and try to pull it tight. If you try to adjust it, it can cause the leader to curl some as well. On Saturday I had a fish eat my white NZ wool indicator and hit it so hard, the tippet cut through the plastic tubing and the wool was gone. I reeled in and the tubbing was still on the tippet, but was cut all the way through. First time I've had that happen!
All that said, I prefer Thinga's over the AirLock....
But I carry Thingas, Palsa, NZ, Corqs, Indicator putty, big dries...and a couple Airlocks.... each serves its purpose!
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Post by turfdawg on Mar 26, 2018 18:56:26 GMT -6
I will agree 100% each serves a purpose like all tools, and these are tools. I have thought about buying the kit that Red's sales but I already have most of it. Now when I do use a indicator it is generally a white 1/2" airlock because it is harder and heavier than a corq/thingamabobber and is easier for me to cast just using mono instead of fly line. The largest drawback to me on the airlocks are loosing the rings.
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Post by turfdawg on Mar 26, 2018 19:05:59 GMT -6
My small assortment
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Post by darrelln09 on Mar 26, 2018 19:19:39 GMT -6
I've become pretty fond of the cork bobbers with the rubber loop. Minimal kinkage. I have used those too, Corq brand, and I really like them but they tend to slip down the tippet on me. You have that problem?
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Post by jonbo on Mar 26, 2018 19:34:05 GMT -6
Basically, they all leave something to be desired.
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Post by mirvc17 on Mar 26, 2018 19:43:20 GMT -6
Turfdawg,
Have you gone full mono rig on us??
Or you just talking about situations where you need a bobber with a Euro leader set up?
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Post by darrelln09 on Mar 26, 2018 19:51:41 GMT -6
OK... i'm back...please indulge me in this post... Corqs... Regarding Thingamabobbers... Despite Air Locks saying... New Zealand Strike Indicator is great--super sensitive... Corqs - I like the rubber loops but they do slip. My yarn indicators have the same loops too. Thingamabobbers - I can’t use them. I think it’s the name, grates on my nerves. Air Locks - will kink your line. I found that out this weekend. Unless you don’t crank them tight - then they slip. Glad they include a few spare plastic nuts in the pack though. So easy to drop when held with fat-fingers. New Zealands - I just ordered the tool. Will try them out next weekend.
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Post by turfdawg on Mar 26, 2018 19:57:31 GMT -6
Turfdawg, Have you gone full mono rig on us?? Or you just talking about situations where you need a bobber with a Euro leader set up? I have to order, or buy if the shop sells it, some 20lb Maxima but i haven't cast anything but mono last couple of times. I put a Lamson Guru on my new Orvis Recon and used 3wt fly line instead of the Euro line incase I want to throw some small dries but just mono from the rod tip. I'm going to make the butt section about 30' though so the fly line never hits the guides. At the Blue River with the deeper slower water I'm still using fly line with regular leader and indicators. I have had my wife using the Rio Euro leader with an indicator with no fly line on the water and it has made a great difference for her.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 9:01:28 GMT -6
A virtual cornucopia of information to digest.
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Post by golferjeff on Mar 27, 2018 13:51:03 GMT -6
Red and white beach ball bobber, 20lb test, 3 Oz of weight, a few night crawlers and some corn juice. Cast, reel, and repeat.
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Post by Texastroutfisher on Apr 1, 2018 10:14:40 GMT -6
New guy so take this with a grain of salt. I have used both, the thingamabobber and the New Zealand and really like the NZ. Its easy to use, super sensitive, and casts great. It dries quickly with a couple false casts and it lands like a feather. Just be sure to trim the excess.
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Post by darrelln09 on Apr 2, 2018 14:51:02 GMT -6
New guy so take this with a grain of salt. I have used both, the thingamabobber and the New Zealand and really like the NZ. Its easy to use, super sensitive, and casts great. It dries quickly with a couple false casts and it lands like a feather. Just be sure to trim the excess. I totally agree with your assessment on the NZ! I tried out that system for the first time this past weekend and really liked it for the reasons given. I do want to mention that I had a hard time on the first try because I tried to pull too big of a wad of wool through the little tube and it just wouldn’t go. I felt like I was going to break my tippet. After I peeled the wad of wool down to a smaller size I had no problems at all.
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Post by coldwaterfly on Apr 5, 2018 13:02:52 GMT -6
The NZ is my go to indicator, but it took me a while to figure out "how much" wool to use.
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Post by troutbum54 on May 1, 2018 11:44:42 GMT -6
I prefer the New Zealand indicators if I’m fishing with one. Other than that it’s either a sighter, dry, streamer fishing, or the joe Humphrey technique (almost euro but you use split shot)
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Post by FlyAndStream on May 1, 2018 11:54:24 GMT -6
Just skip a traditional indicator all together, really. Familiarize yourself with a euro rig setup and grease the mono sighter if your proximity situation requires you to float it to fish at distance.
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Post by troutbum54 on May 1, 2018 13:21:05 GMT -6
I think if people wanted to kind of bridge the gap between normal nymphing and euro they should go with the humphrey technique. Kind of uses the same long leader system but rolls the split shot along the bottom with weightless nymphs. I’m guessing a sighter would help in that endeavor as well (joe doesn’t use one but hell he came up with it and is kind of a legend)
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Post by jonbo on May 1, 2018 19:35:30 GMT -6
What is "normal nymphing"?
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Post by troutbum54 on May 2, 2018 0:20:05 GMT -6
Indicator nymphing, it seems synonymous with what people think of when nymphing so I consider it normal nymphing.
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Post by jonbo on May 2, 2018 6:21:37 GMT -6
I was just kidding. The term "normal nymphing" struck my wierd sense of humor as funny.
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Post by stephenl on May 4, 2018 9:42:50 GMT -6
I make my own indicators from closed cell foam.
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Post by Fenwick on Jul 20, 2019 18:56:12 GMT -6
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Post by turfdawg on Jul 20, 2019 21:04:05 GMT -6
Just skip a traditional indicator all together, really. Familiarize yourself with a euro rig setup and grease the mono sighter if your proximity situation requires you to float it to fish at distance. See what you started
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 22:32:51 GMT -6
Float Master strike indicators are far superior to any other.
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Post by freebird on Dec 10, 2020 15:55:17 GMT -6
I roll with the New Zealand strike indicator kit! Nice and light
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