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Post by Texastroutfisher on Mar 12, 2019 9:57:32 GMT -6
Guys, I'm going to give euro nymphing a go later this month. I will be using a 4wt Echo base rod, FW line and Rio euro nymphing leaders, will this work? I really don't want to invest in a specific set up until I'm sure its for me. Also, do the nymphs have to be tied off droppers or can they be in line like they are when using an indicator. Thanks!!!
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Post by FlyAndStream on Mar 12, 2019 10:40:26 GMT -6
You'll be limited overall using that setup, but you're right, better make sure its something that interests you before putting more skin in.
You can dry dropper, but in that case I'd just use your standard setup for that. Otherwise, use your RIO euro leader down to about 4'-5' fluorocarbon 5x-6x tippet, point fly (tungsten) and a tag fly about 16-18" up, also tungsten. Then try to keep your sighter vertical or 45º angled forward and feel the bumps and takes. Though without a more sensitive setup the subtle takes will be hard to detect.
And have fun, man!
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Post by turfdawg on Mar 12, 2019 11:10:52 GMT -6
In my personal opinion, “can you”, heck yes but it’s nowhere close to a true euro setup. Aaron is a much better fisherman than I am so in my opinion casting, reach, sensitivity, drift, contact with flies, ect.... is night and day different.
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Post by golferjeff on Mar 12, 2019 15:30:24 GMT -6
what they said ^^^^^^ if you are going to euro, you really need a 10.5 or 11' rod and a sensitive tip to make it work. The great thing is, you can use these rods for nymphing and light dries too. I use my Cortland MKI for euro, indicator nymphing, dry dropper, and even just dries.
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Post by jonbo on Mar 12, 2019 16:40:53 GMT -6
My Echo Shadow II 3 wt "traditional" casts quite decently. I understand some of the "Euro" sticks, not so much. The Shad is 10 ft. There's an optional kit you can buy for $80 that extends the length to 10.5 or 11, plus you can add weight to the butt, for balance. I bought that, but then don't use it much. Ten ft seems fine to me. I haven't really figured out the tight-line or "euro" system very well, yet, though. Maybe I'll be really wanting that extension if/when I get better at it. I think on Spillway I tight-lined with it at 10.5 feet and it did well helping me to reach pockets. As I remember, I caught several decent fish on a Pat's Rubberlegs. Later on, down at the EH I shortened the rod to 10 ft, put on a "normal" tapered leader and swung a soft hackle. It did fine.
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Post by lipripper1983 on Mar 12, 2019 21:47:33 GMT -6
what they said ^^^^^^ if you are going to euro, you really need a 10.5 or 11' rod and a sensitive tip to make it work. The great thing is, you can use these rods for nymphing and light dries too. I use my Cortland MKI for euro, indicator nymphing, dry dropper, and even just dries. A 10 foot rod is common with the competition anglers out there. Like the orvis recon. I had the pleasure of messing around with my uncles 3wt orvis recon sunday and found it to be great. Obviously longer rods are better, but they're also heavier. I think it's preference. I'm gonna be getting the recon in a few months because I was so impressed with it. |
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Post by FlyAndStream on Mar 12, 2019 22:45:13 GMT -6
Orvis just release a newly designed Euro rod too – the Clearwater 10' 3wt for $198
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Post by jonbo on Mar 13, 2019 6:57:13 GMT -6
The Orvis Recon 10 ft 3 at is raved about by many, I know. Supposedly it both tight-lines and traditional fishes very decently. I think my Shad(ow II) is something like a poor man's version of it. Probably you get what you pay for, to some extent. I didn't like the Shad until I started getting used to it, but it's definitely grown on me. I do know that the warrantee service is excellent, having broken the tip in the parking lot on a cold windy morning. I don't know if I'd bother with the extension kit again. If I was going to pay the extra freight I might just step up to the Recon. Now, you have to remember, I'm talking about a dual use rod to keep me from having to carry two, so I'm sort of handicapping myself. From my reading, for a euro-stick in the medium-low range, many rave about the Syndicate. I think it may be physically lighter than the Echo, which makes a difference to some. Maybe more sensitive, too.
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Post by coldwaterfly on Mar 13, 2019 8:02:20 GMT -6
I've been looking at that Orvis rod pretty hard core.
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Post by turfdawg on Mar 13, 2019 8:48:47 GMT -6
I've been looking at that Orvis rod pretty hard core. Which one New Clearwater for $198 supposed to be great on sensitivity Recon Euro for $429 is super light and great casting but not real sensitive (IMO) H3 Euro for $898 is supposed to be a pretty good rod but I’ve not fished one yet |
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Post by coldwaterfly on Mar 13, 2019 8:52:37 GMT -6
I've been looking at that Orvis rod pretty hard core. Which one New Clearwater for $198 supposed to be great on sensitivity Recon Euro for $429 is super light and great casting but not real sensitive (IMO) H3 Euro for $898 is supposed to be a pretty good rod but I’ve not fished one yet I was originally interested in the Moonshine Rod and still believe it would be an excellent choice based on reviews, but I favor the Clearwater price and sensitivity as a newbie. |
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Post by FlyAndStream on Mar 13, 2019 9:12:55 GMT -6
turfdawg I didn't know they made an H3 euro rod. That might be interesting.
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Post by turfdawg on Mar 13, 2019 9:29:53 GMT -6
turfdawg I didn't know they made an H3 euro rod. That might be interesting. H3F 10’6” 3wt |
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Post by lipripper1983 on Mar 14, 2019 20:04:18 GMT -6
Which one New Clearwater for $198 supposed to be great on sensitivity Recon Euro for $429 is super light and great casting but not real sensitive (IMO) H3 Euro for $898 is supposed to be a pretty good rod but I’ve not fished one yet I was originally interested in the Moonshine Rod and still believe it would be an excellent choice based on reviews, but I favor the Clearwater price and sensitivity as a newbie. I use the moonshine epiphany and I would not recommend it. From what others are saying in this thread, you might would consider the clearwater 10ft 3wt. It's probably a better option, though I've not used it so it's hard to say. I would definetly steer clear of the moonshine though. I regret my purchase. I wrote up an informative review of the rod if you're interested: beaversbendflyshop.proboards.com/thread/1690/moonshine-epiphany-euro-rod-review?page=1&scrollTo=17501 |
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Post by darrelln09 on Mar 14, 2019 22:35:53 GMT -6
I highly recommend the Syndicate P2 Pipeline Pro 10-ft 3-wt rod ($299) for Euro Nymphing. It is very sensitive in that I notice every rock “tick” and “scrape” as my bead-headed flies bounce and slide along the bottom. And I don’t hesitate for a second to use it with dry flies. It works great. I also use it for casting traditional nymph/bobber rigs without any trouble when slow water conditions dictate that type of setup. It’s a great rod for the price.
I have also found that their customer service is very good. I broke my tip section during a fight with a rock and was able to get it replaced very quickly. I emailed them on a Monday, received an invoice and paid it on Tuesday, and had a new tip section by Friday. That’s hard to beat.
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Post by Texastroutfisher on Apr 16, 2019 11:02:08 GMT -6
Thanks Everyone! It looks like the Orvis 3wt will be the winner. Just so I'm clear, when fishing this way I want a bit of fly line out past the tip of the rod with the inline indicator just above the waters surface with only the tippet below the surface, correct???
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Post by FlyAndStream on Apr 16, 2019 11:18:01 GMT -6
The question of fly line, in general, when it comes to euro methods is mostly about preference. They make competition fly lines which are very thin and have a level taper. They offer very little sag. I have one but do not prefer it.
If you're using a standard weight-forward floating fly line, yes, you want to keep that puppy on the reel.
I personally prefer running straight mono (Maxima Chameleon 8 lb) from the reel, up the rod guides and out to my sighter, which yes, sits vertically just above the surface of the water.
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Post by Texastroutfisher on Apr 16, 2019 11:34:58 GMT -6
The question of fly line, in general, when it comes to euro methods is mostly about preference. They make competition fly lines which are very thin and have a level taper. They offer very little sag. I have one but do not prefer it. If you're using a standard weight-forward floating fly line, yes, you want to keep that puppy on the reel. I personally prefer running straight mono (Maxima Chameleon 8 lb) from the reel, up the rod guides and out to my sighter, which yes, sits vertically just above the surface of the water. Thanks again! This combo comes with a clear water II reel and tactical nymph line so I plan on trying what you mention above and keeping the sighter just above the water. |
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Post by turfdawg on Apr 16, 2019 11:47:42 GMT -6
I myself prefer all mono also (unless it’s raining). You have to remember in competition fishing your whole leader setup can’t be any longer than twice your rod length so many that use a 10’ rod will have a 20’ leader then the Euro fly line.
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Post by FlyAndStream on Apr 16, 2019 12:34:10 GMT -6
turfdawg you make a good point about the rain.
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Post by golferjeff on Apr 17, 2019 8:13:28 GMT -6
Dawg - as long as they don't make a rule about fishing a rod more than twice your height, you should be OK. A 7'6 rod would be difficult to euro nymph  |
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Post by turfdawg on Apr 17, 2019 18:29:40 GMT -6
Dawg - as long as they don't make a rule about fishing a rod more than twice your height, you should be OK. A 7'6 rod would be difficult to euro nymph If it was twice the length of my belt I could reach across Evening Hole U wise acre |
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Post by golferjeff on Apr 18, 2019 8:24:40 GMT -6
Taking my Cortland to CO today. Gonna tight line some of those pockets on the Arkansas with a euro jig and a stonefly molt nymph.
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Post by FlyAndStream on Apr 18, 2019 9:24:17 GMT -6
Lucky.
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Post by jonbo on Apr 18, 2019 11:22:30 GMT -6
Better to be lucky than good!
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