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Post by fede23 on Jul 20, 2020 11:47:15 GMT -6
I want to make my own Leaders 6X, 5X, 3X for small to medium size nymphs and drys, that sort of thing.
I have found what looks to be some good sources online, But I wanted to check with y'all first to see if anyone has any good recipes that you be willing to share.
Thanks,
Federico
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Post by darrelln09 on Jul 20, 2020 14:40:02 GMT -6
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Post by fede23 on Jul 20, 2020 14:50:01 GMT -6
That Blood Knot video is really cool, thanks for that! Could not get simpler on that front.
The Global Fly Fisher Website i have been before, just didn't know if it was the real deal.
thanks for the info Darrell
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Post by darrelln09 on Jul 20, 2020 20:27:56 GMT -6
I don’t have any experience with the GFF Leader Calc methods; it just looked like someone put a whole lot of time into figuring it out. My experience is more with taking the butt section of an old tapered leader and extending it back to 9 feet. Depending on where it’s at, I would tie on some short lengths of 0X, 1X, 2X, 3X, 4X, and then a new section of 5X. Good blood knots are definitely a requirement. They tie the two pieces very straight and can be trimmed close so they slide through the rod guides as good as can be expected for a knot. Sometimes I even coat them with Loon UV Knot Sense for extra security and smoothness. Good luck!
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Post by stephenl on Jul 23, 2020 10:41:45 GMT -6
I make my own furrled leaders.
Look on you tube
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Post by thecroflys on Jul 28, 2020 13:16:21 GMT -6
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Post by fede23 on Jul 29, 2020 10:35:42 GMT -6
Much appreciated #thecroflys , i did get a bunch of spools of Maxima Chameleon and started making some leaders for Bass. But I will check the links you mentioned.
thanks
Federico
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Post by turfdawg on Jul 29, 2020 10:41:40 GMT -6
Are you using a indicator and split shot? If so just take 20’ of 20 lb maxima Chamaeleon then 2’ of 15lb then 2’ of 10lb. Attach tippet ring and tippet
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Post by FlyAndStream on Aug 2, 2020 20:48:24 GMT -6
dainw and I call this the euro-bob, Bill. You can bobber fish way easier than if you were using a WF floating line rig. 👍
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Post by dainw on Aug 4, 2020 7:13:06 GMT -6
dainw and I call this the euro-bob, Bill. You can bobber fish way easier than if you were using a WF floating line rig. 👍 Euro bobber was deadly on windy days in Colorado. |
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Post by turfdawg on Aug 5, 2020 3:56:58 GMT -6
dainw and I call this the euro-bob, Bill. You can bobber fish way easier than if you were using a WF floating line rig. 👍 Euro bobber was deadly on windy days in Colorado. I like euro bobber better than what I call it. When I need to put one on I say “it’s time to put back on the training wheels “ |
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Post by mirvc17 on Aug 5, 2020 8:28:52 GMT -6
What’s the difference between watching a COLORED sighter twitch vs a possibly colored (or subdued) bobber/yarn indicator twitch??? You set the hook on either, right?
The bobberless “way” of Euro is simply a function of those crazed Frenchman rules. A large dry fly eess OK, but zee bobber is baaad... 😂
Euro snobs....haha 😬
(Disclaimer, I Euro sometimes, but I don’t enjoy myself)
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Post by mirvc17 on Aug 5, 2020 8:33:47 GMT -6
If we want to take the training wheels off, we’d nymph with a normal, clear leader and no visual aid...Joe Humphreys style ...
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Post by turfdawg on Aug 5, 2020 10:47:08 GMT -6
That’s the great thing about fly fishing. Do what you like. I like the “euro” style but in easy reach is a 1/2” airlock and NZ tool with yarn “training wheels” (what George Daniel calls yarn on euro) so I can add real fast. In the back are all kinds of bobbers, even still have some thingamastoppers. I like playing with leaders also. However, I can’t use what Mr Humphries does because #1 it’s too simple and the main reason is because I’m not very good lol
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Post by mirvc17 on Aug 5, 2020 14:34:06 GMT -6
Just don’t cast bait with a fly rod ... 😂 when I lived in Alaska I fished the Eklutna Tailrace on occasion..there was an old guy there slinging his cured shrimp bait (plus a good bit of split shot) with his fly rod trying to catch silvers.
It was a sacrilege ! 😬
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Post by breeden3 on Aug 5, 2020 16:01:43 GMT -6
If we want to take the training wheels off, we’d nymph with a normal, clear leader and no visual aid...Joe Humphreys style ... I don’t usually straight nymph very often but this is how I like to do it! |
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Post by FlyAndStream on Aug 5, 2020 16:08:24 GMT -6
mirvc17 the difference is that any suspension indicator is tethered to the surface of the water where the current flows faster than the near the bottom where fish mostly hangout and feed, so it pulls your flies faster than natural drifting food at the bottom. A straight euro leader method has the indicator suspended above the water so that the only thing in the current is 5-6x fluoro which has far less drag and allows tungsten flies to drift along the bottom at a more natural speed and presentation.
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Post by jonbo on Aug 5, 2020 16:52:36 GMT -6
I still use the "training wheels" some.
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Post by dainw on Aug 5, 2020 18:14:39 GMT -6
If we want to take the training wheels off, we’d nymph with a normal, clear leader and no visual aid...Joe Humphreys style ... I will “wade” into the debate (de-bait?) here about leaders. Mostly agree with what Aaron said about getting a more natural drift on the euro rig. Also, I’ll add that I don’t usually detect strikes by seeing the sighter twitch when fishing the euro rig. Usually I feel the bite rather than see it, although maybe I’m just not as adept at seeing strikes I don’t know. For me, the sighter is more of a visual cue about where in the water my flies are and what kind of a drift I’m getting than it is a strike detector. I generally prefer to catch fish using this method over watching an indicator of big dry fly or whatever. Euro bobber was more of an adjustment to the conditions than anything in Colorado than a dedicated strategy. On the first day for example, it was really windy so opted to take my 6 weight and leave the euro stick in the car. Aaron fished the euro bobber. We fished the same flies and Aaron out fished me 4 to 1, and I was generally first man through the hole! When we got back to the car I switched back to the euro rod with a bobber and we caught about the same number after that. Just think the euro bobber, if you’re going to fish a bobber, allows a more subtle presentation and a better drift than traditional bobber rig |
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Post by mirvc17 on Aug 5, 2020 23:44:10 GMT -6
mirvc17 the difference is that any suspension indicator is tethered to the surface of the water where the current flows faster than the near the bottom where fish mostly hangout and feed, so it pulls your flies faster than natural drifting food at the bottom. A straight euro leader method has the indicator suspended above the water so that the only thing in the current is 5-6x fluoro which has far less drag and allows tungsten flies to drift along the bottom at a more natural speed and presentation. I know I was just messing with Turfdawg. Where I’m fishing, short line indicator (yarn) fishing works best, especially with size 20-26 flies. The fish often ignore larger flies and flashy attractors. I think I heard one laugh one time.  |
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Post by mirvc17 on Aug 5, 2020 23:47:50 GMT -6
If we want to take the training wheels off, we’d nymph with a normal, clear leader and no visual aid...Joe Humphreys style ... I don’t usually straight nymph very often but this is how I like to do it! Setting the hook with reference to the fish eating / seeing its mouth move is the ultimate in sight nymphing for sure! |
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Post by glitchmo on Aug 6, 2020 6:38:34 GMT -6
When I nymph (as little as possible) I’m really digging a drop shot rig these days
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Post by FlyAndStream on Aug 6, 2020 6:48:48 GMT -6
I’ve honestly never understood the benefit of the drop shot rig when compared to a euro leader and two tungsten flies. The heavier weighted flies serve as the “shot” and have a built in hook – seems like a no brainer.
I’d rather have a fly bouncing across the bottom and another one tied on further up in the column.
Drop shoting took on popularity in the US before people were properly introduced to European methods, I understand that’s my opinion though.
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Post by dainw on Aug 6, 2020 9:57:21 GMT -6
If we want to take the training wheels off, we’d nymph with a normal, clear leader and no visual aid...Joe Humphreys style ... I mean, I guess fish how you want and what makes you happy. What makes me happy is catching a lot of fish and in situations where I can get close enough to the fish without spooking them, then euro nymphing I’ve found is generally going to be the most productive method. I’m no Joe Humphreys but I don’t see how nymphing with a standard 9ft 5x tapered leader in any situation is advantageous to a straight mono rig where only 1 diameter of tippet enters the water. No matter what you’re doing, euro, bobber, dry dropper, the all mono rig is superior as the tapered leader creates additional drag both below the surface of the water and on the surface as well. The only time I can see a traditional rig being better is if you’re fishing from a boat or if you’re in a situation where you have to bomb a long cast, which is rare. If you want to call the sighter “training wheels” then fine, but I’d say in most situations the sighter is only a visual aid as to the location of the drift and not a strike detector. The euro rig has the added advantage of not creating a surface disturbance when hitting the water the way a bobber or big dry would. That being said, id put a friendly wager out there that I could go to the LMF and fish with no sighter, i.e straight mono to a tippet ring and still catch fish. Any takers this fall let me know. |
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Post by glitchmo on Aug 6, 2020 10:37:46 GMT -6
I’ve honestly never understood the benefit of the drop shot rig when compared to a euro leader and two tungsten flies. The heavier weighted flies serve as the “shot” and have a built in hook – seems like a no brainer. I’d rather have a fly bouncing across the bottom and another one tied on further up in the column. Drop shoting took on popularity in the US before people were properly introduced to European methods, I understand that’s my opinion though. Well, like I said, I only rarely fish nymphs so I’m far from expert. But, in theory, I can fish any two flies whether they’re big, small, weighted, or unweighted at any depth. And having just the weight on the bottom leads to fewer hang ups. I’ve never tried euro’ing though, so who knows. |
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