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Post by turfdawg on Jan 23, 2017 17:03:13 GMT -6
I have been doing a lot of video watching about different fly placements. Just wondering what many of you prefer. Right now I have always ran a indicator with my heavy fly at the bottom with a small fly trailing. What I am thinking about doing is going indicator then a dropper loop with small fly on that and then heavy fly on bottom. Also, do many of you like the fly right on the bottom or 6-8" above with split shot hitting bottom?
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Post by mirvc17 on Jan 23, 2017 17:45:42 GMT -6
I've been playing around a bit with this lately as well and also done a bit of reading about it. I have just the thing for you, but I don't have time to make a proper post until later this evening.
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Post by turfdawg on Jan 23, 2017 18:41:55 GMT -6
Looking forward to it JP.
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Post by hankinsfly on Jan 23, 2017 20:05:54 GMT -6
I've always done well with a dropper off the bend of the hook tied to the tippet. I have tried a dropper loop and they seemed to get wrapped around the tippet, but I think I haven't given a dropper loop a fair trial. Lots of people fish a dropper off the leader/tippet. I like the ease and simplicity of tying into the lead fly- but you can't fish two water columns as effectively.
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Post by flyfishermann1955 on Jan 23, 2017 20:31:54 GMT -6
It depends on the flies I'm fishing:
If using a weighted stonefly and a small nymph (BWO, small pheasant tail, Mercer's micro mayfly, caddis larva, copper john), I will tie the small fly off the bend of the stonefly. That allows the stonefly to get my small nymph down too. The stonefly catches their attention; if they don't take it, they may take the small nymph.
If using a weighted stonefly and an emerger, caddis pupa, or soft hackle pattern, then I want the non-stonefly higher in the water column, so I tie it above the stonefly (off a dropper at the blood knot).
If there are no signs of pre-hatch insect activity, then I want to be at the bottom with at least 1 fly of my multi-fly rig. Yes, I'm willing to loose some flies to the bottom!
Thanks- Ken
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Post by mirvc17 on Jan 23, 2017 20:51:31 GMT -6
Turfdawg, Like hankinsfly, I too have done reasonably well (or so I believe) with a dropper off the bend of the hook. I too usually had the heaviest fly on the point with a second, lighter fly anywhere from 12-24" off the bend of the heavier fly. Sometimes I'd have a tiny splitshot between the two, sometimes not. Sometimes splitshot would be 12-14" above the heavy fly as well. Lately, I've had the heavy fly on point, with a dropper tag 2-ish feet above (usually where two pieces of tippet are joined). The tag is about 6-8" in length which allows me to make 2-3 fly changes before the tag gets too short. When it does, you can cut the tag off, then tie another piece of tippet about 10-11" in length right above that leftover knot. You can use a uni-knot, a clinch knot or similar and then let it slide into the top of that junction so it stops. This saves tippet and saves you time from having to retie the point fly. I've had some pretty good success lately with this method and surprisingly the lighter fly didn't twist around the leader/tippet that bad. I caught a number of fish on the dropper and the point fly. Like Hank said, I believe I was able to fish two sections of the water column a little better with this set up. Now... read these two articles.... troutbitten.com/2016/08/31/trail-this-dont-trail-that/troutbitten.com/2016/03/18/tags-and-trailers/I'm surprised I hadn't found this site earlier, but it is a wealth of knowledge. Tactical Fly Fisher is another great resource and if you haven't seen Modern Nymphing yet, I'd recommend it. Olson demo's how he rigs up two flies, which is basically what I talked about above. Speaking of Devin Olson (and switching gears a little), The other day I practiced casting/lobbing a 20+ foot mono euro nymphing leader (tied by him) and it worked a LOT better than I expected. I tied on 4 feet of 5x tippet, then another 2' of 5x to make a dropper tag and an end for the point fly. To simulate flies, I tied two overhand knots and placed a small splitshot on the dropper and one on the point. The soft tip of my NRX LP cast this leader/rig quite well even in a light breeze and I was able to shoot some mono too. Can't wait to get it a real test on some water. Now, where are my smokes and skinny jeans?
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Post by mirvc17 on Jan 23, 2017 20:55:51 GMT -6
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Post by hankinsfly on Jan 23, 2017 22:06:53 GMT -6
Please be joking about the skinn jeans, bud... haha!
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Post by troutbum54 on Jan 25, 2017 21:10:24 GMT -6
For the euro 2 fly there are 2 solid options with option 1 being a blood knot with a long tag end on one side (I like this because it make the top drop come off almost directly at a 90 degree angle which helps with twisting) and option 2 of using a surgeons knot. For dry droppers and indicator rigs I tie off the bend off using barbed hooks and go between the option 2 of euro rigging and tying off the eye of of the upper fly
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Post by troutbum54 on Jan 25, 2017 21:11:14 GMT -6
*Bend if using
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Post by jonbo on Jan 25, 2017 21:34:51 GMT -6
I've given up on more than 2 flies. Hecka' tangles.
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Post by golferjeff on Jan 26, 2017 9:40:30 GMT -6
I manage to tangle everything, but the least work to untangle for me is off the bend of the top hook. Depending on water type, I decide whether the heavy fly goes first or the emerger goes first. I try to keep it simple. I can't tie a blood knot at all and I screw up tag ends.
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Post by mirvc17 on Jan 26, 2017 10:28:50 GMT -6
Maybe you need the Blood Knot Tool by EZ Tie ? Seems a little silly with the price but looks well manufactured and ties the knots perfectly.
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Post by turfdawg on Jan 26, 2017 10:52:19 GMT -6
Have you seen the toothpick trick for blood knots
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Post by mirvc17 on Jan 26, 2017 11:19:37 GMT -6
Oh yeah totally forgot about that!
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Post by jonbo on Jan 26, 2017 13:22:00 GMT -6
I can tie a blood knot in 10 minutes or more!
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Post by hankinsfly on Jan 26, 2017 15:17:04 GMT -6
Blood knots are a cinch.
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Post by Fenwick on Jan 26, 2017 15:28:13 GMT -6
"...off the bend of the hook." Yeah, so how come when fishing a tandem nymph rig it is 50% of the time that the lowest fly's tippet clinch knot eventually slides down and off the barbless point of the upper fly hook? Bye-bye lower fly! Maybe I wind up leaving a long tag end off the eye of the upper nymph to tie on the dropper. Sometimes I'll even tie on a separate length of tippet to the eye of the upper nymph to hang my second nymph. Then you've also got your Idaho bounce rig and the "this that and the other" rigs too. Tying flies on turns into a macramé project and what a fine mess it is once the current and/or a bad line lift puts it all into a hopeless ball you have to cut off only to begin tying everything on all over again. The real insult is when at long last you finally have the darn newly tied on rig all set up and then snag and have to break it off on that first drift. Call me Sisyphus. Not that anyone of you other than myself alone has seemingly spent most of a day on the water fiddling with leader and tippet and flies and split shot and rigging up instead of fishing.
Eh, what's that T.A.? Dry flies? Leader to tippet to fly and that's it? Who would'a thunk?
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Post by mirvc17 on Jan 26, 2017 15:52:01 GMT -6
I don't know about anyone else, but I've never had the lower fly's tippet clinch knot come off of a barbless hook. I've pulled my rig out and seen it a little closer to the point than I'd like, but never actually come off the fly.
I've had plenty of those bad days where my casting sucks, I tangle rigs right after re-rigging, hit the trees, break off, etc... it sucks when you spend the day in frustration. But over time I've gotten much faster at re-rigging, so that is the plus side of things.
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Post by hankinsfly on Jan 26, 2017 17:38:29 GMT -6
I have never had a knot fail off the bend of a hook. I have had a few tippet knots break though from vicious strikes when swinging and streamers.
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Post by Fenwick on Jan 26, 2017 20:13:34 GMT -6
I should've mentioned it happens to me when using flouro. Ordinary mono stays put.
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Post by breeden3 on Jan 31, 2017 21:45:37 GMT -6
Enjoying the conversations. Great traffic for the board!
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