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Post by fvanek on Jun 27, 2017 17:45:46 GMT -6
I did get one spool of TroutHunter about a year ago that was a bad spool, but the rest I have used have been great. I have also bought a couple of bad spools of Orvis. I watched the kids at the Youth Nationals this past weekend in North Carolina, and 80% were using TroutHunter 6x through 8x. There were very few break-offs using the TroutHunter, and I saw quite a few large trout landed on 7x TroutHunter with no problems in swift water. TroutHunter is a great company that supports the Youth Team also.
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Post by turfdawg on Jun 27, 2017 19:51:58 GMT -6
Well there ya go.... Seems like TH is love it or hate it. Maybe I just got a bad shipment. I rarely break Orvis Mirage even at 6x. My knots are another story..... Davey knot is the way to go man
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Post by attackone02 on Jun 28, 2017 5:25:41 GMT -6
I picked up a spool of the hanak last night to try out, its the best price tippet material out there.
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Post by jonbo on Jun 28, 2017 6:53:16 GMT -6
Like the "Double Davy" knot, myself. I didn't seem to tie the "Davy" right. It would slip. But the DD works great for me.
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Post by hankinsfly on Jun 28, 2017 7:49:38 GMT -6
Clinch knot or improved clinch works great for me
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Post by troutbum54 on Jun 28, 2017 8:31:24 GMT -6
I've had problems with both the Davy and improved clinch slipping... that's why I converted to the SDJ
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Post by Fenwick on Jul 4, 2017 10:44:33 GMT -6
So I see the August-September issue of Fly Fisherman has a cover page article titled How to Get Low and Slow in which Lance Egan explains in word and diagrams about stream currents and applying the Euro leader technique. The article is brief and to the point. Of course the Spillway is ideal for this technique as you already know. Thing is, I just don't have the patience for the rigging as I'd be rewarded with immediate snags and break offs and tippet rings are not my friend either. I can't keep count of the times I've left the river at the end of the day thinking I spent more time there fiddling around rigging up leaders and tippets and knots and droppers and such than actually fishing. Not that it's ever happened to you but it seems I'll spend an inordinate amount of time on some sort of new leader and tippet and dual nymph set up only to have the surface of the water 100 yards up and downstream of me suddenly erupt in a huge splashy trout feeding frenzy on some surface hatch where bead head nymphs and a ton of split shot are the last thing you'd want at the time. I now know to ignore the splashy frenzy because it'll end by the time I re-rig for emergers or dries and heavy nymphs will be the ticket again.
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Post by jonbo on Jul 4, 2017 12:12:05 GMT -6
DOUBLE Davy, Troutbum! Never slips on me and a piece of cake to tie. If I do it right my tag end ends up about 3/4 of an inch long. The thing you have to remember is the cue that it's tight is a little "click" at the end of pulling it tight. If you've tied it right the tag end sticks out at right angles. I use a SDJK at the tippet ring, but it takes a lot more concentration. Double Davy KnotGrant, you're right. When I decide to practice euro-nymphing, as I did this morning, I just do that. I really need to go with someone who's had some experience or luck with it though. I'm not getting anywhere and about to hang it up.
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Post by attackone02 on Jul 5, 2017 13:18:35 GMT -6
best thing to do with the euro is just do it, forget about fishing anything else and just stick with it.
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Post by jonbo on Jul 5, 2017 16:59:00 GMT -6
Yeah, I'll think I'll get it figured out better in the coming winter if I decide to keep attempting to fish Spillway Creek. It seems to be made for the tight-line. Right now the fish are kind of just not biting, period, I think. Water's too warm. I guess we really don't need to be trying to stress them even worse. I have caught several fish tight-lining with a sighter, just not one after the other the way I've seen Evan do. I don't have the "magic" of it sussed out. I have no feel yet for what my nymphs are doing down there and little or no control in my casting of the 24 ft leader. Trying to get my rig to drop straight down into a plunge-pool? Fuggedaboudit! But I saw Evan pull about 6 fish out in about 6 minutes. I guess I'm "hooked". ;-)
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Post by turfdawg on Jul 5, 2017 17:23:01 GMT -6
Yeah, I'll think I'll get it figured out better in the coming winter if I decide to keep attempting to fish Spillway Creek. It seems to be made for the tight-line. Right now the fish are kind of just not biting, period, I think. Water's too warm. I guess we really don't need to be trying to stress them even worse. I have caught several fish tight-lining with a sighter, just not one after the other the way I've seen Evan do. I don't have the "magic" of it sussed out. I have no feel yet for what my nymphs are doing down there and little or no control in my casting of the 24 ft leader. Trying to get my rig to drop straight down into a plunge-pool? Fuggedaboudit! But I saw Evan pull about 6 fish out in about 6 minutes. I guess I'm "hooked". ;-) I really wish I could have made that. It would be nice to kind of know what I am doing instead of just winging it.
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Post by jonbo on Jul 5, 2017 19:51:26 GMT -6
We'll have to get a few of us together come December or so and give it a try on SC or something. Maybe we can coach each other. Right around Christmas I take several days.
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Post by fvanek on Jul 5, 2017 20:29:15 GMT -6
Eddie was talking to Evan about putting on another class. Hopefully we will have more time to get up there late this fall and winter.
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Post by golferjeff on Jul 6, 2017 7:53:14 GMT -6
December.... please! Late October is nice too. And the food was killer!
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Post by mirvc17 on Jul 7, 2017 6:55:02 GMT -6
You don't have to just wing it. I highly recommend purchasing "Modern Nymphing." vimeo.com/ondemand/modernnymphing you can get it here for 20$ and stream it or download it and watch anytime. George Daniel's book is great too, but feels much more complicated because he really gets into the weeds. Modern Nymphing talks about ONE leader and techniques used to fish different water types with it. I'm still new to Euro nymphing methods, but after watching the video a few times, I feel a little more confident. Yeah, I'll think I'll get it figured out better in the coming winter if I decide to keep attempting to fish Spillway Creek. It seems to be made for the tight-line. Right now the fish are kind of just not biting, period, I think. Water's too warm. I guess we really don't need to be trying to stress them even worse. I have caught several fish tight-lining with a sighter, just not one after the other the way I've seen Evan do. I don't have the "magic" of it sussed out. I have no feel yet for what my nymphs are doing down there and little or no control in my casting of the 24 ft leader. Trying to get my rig to drop straight down into a plunge-pool? Fuggedaboudit! But I saw Evan pull about 6 fish out in about 6 minutes. I guess I'm "hooked". ;-) I really wish I could have made that. It would be nice to kind of know what I am doing instead of just winging it.
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Post by turfdawg on Jul 7, 2017 7:22:31 GMT -6
I actually watched George Daniels three part series on YouTube last night and it helped. Going to have and get me a lot different flies.
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Post by hankinsfly on Jul 7, 2017 7:58:06 GMT -6
Mirv has tons of different flies he'd be happy to gift to you 😁
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Post by mirvc17 on Jul 7, 2017 8:55:09 GMT -6
If the price is right, haha... Actually, I don't think you need that many different flies, but you might need a particular fly in a couple of different sizes potentially.
I'd say some good starting Euro-type flies could be: Tungsten Surveyor, Pliva Perdigon, the Frenchie, Egan's Red Dart, Squirmy Worm, and maybe one or two anchor patterns like weighted Patt's Rubberlegs, or other heavy stonefly. Iron Lotus in large sizes can be quite heavy too.
Zebra midges, Rainbow Warriors and other small patterns are still great off dropper tags, as long as you have the appropriate weight on the other fly to get your flies to the right depth (which may not be much if you're fishing small streams).
Think of your flies as split shot.
And if I see anyone on the river, I'd be happy to give up some flies...gives me an excuse to tie more.
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Post by fvanek on Jul 7, 2017 11:51:14 GMT -6
Try Craven's Two Bit Hooker Fly as a heavy anchor. The dark olive works great at the LMF in size 14 or 16. I have caught more on that fly on the LMF this year than any other. It has a double tungsten bead that will get deep fast.
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Post by hankinsfly on Jul 7, 2017 14:25:34 GMT -6
I'd like to make one of your son's euro classes as well. Let us know when.
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Post by turfdawg on Jul 7, 2017 17:21:58 GMT -6
Try Craven's Two Bit Hooker Fly as a heavy anchor. The dark olive works great at the LMF in size 14 or 16. I have caught more on that fly on the LMF this year than any other. It has a double tungsten bead that will get deep fast. Where do I buy those. Also, would it be too much trouble to post pics or either post names of some of the Euro nymphs that you and Evan use please? You Da Man Frank
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Post by fvanek on Jul 7, 2017 18:37:24 GMT -6
I will send you some links to where you can get them Bill. They also sell a similar version at Eddie and Roberta's fly shop.
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Post by Eddie on Jul 8, 2017 7:33:47 GMT -6
Guys here is the skinny...use what you feel good about...we sell both Rio and Trout Hunter...both are at the tip top of the food chain...it is what you feel good with...both have top reviews and both will have someone that has had a bad experience...believe me the more you fish the more you put your self in that position to break a good fish off...at times it may be a fault in the line or tippet and other times in could be user error (as in my case most of the time)...I would never argue with someone that has a strong feeling for a certain product...just use what you feel is the best...as far as price...if something is a little more and you like that product...use it as we only get on the water a limited amount of time...best of luck and hope to see you one the water...it is very good at times now and slow at others...several big fish caugt this week in the range of 18-21...Eddie
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Post by okieman71 on Jul 8, 2017 12:47:00 GMT -6
Eddie is 100% correct. Both brands of tippet are fine. One major factor that comes in to play especially on those larger fish is their teeth. I was out with Peter one morning and broke off 5 or 6 fish in the 18-22" range. We were sight fishing and using 6x tippet. I know for sure at least half of those fish lost were due to an error I made. I also believe if we had been using 4x that several of those would have been brought to net. I guess you kind of have to pick your poison. When you are fishing gin clear water to highly pressured fish, 4x will not contact as many fish. I think this definitely applies to the big holdovers. With 6x your percentage of hook ups drastically increases but you risk of breakage does as well. Now there are some that will say the 6x flourocarbon doesn't matter. In some instances that is true. However, if you are casting to big wary fish in shallow clear water I can guarantee you that it makes a difference. I personally fish RIO FF Plus. To each their own. Tight lines.
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Post by finny76 on Jul 10, 2017 15:24:04 GMT -6
trouthunter is all i use anymore +1 on that.
Trouthunter Tippet is a GAME CHANGER! Pricey but worth it!
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